Biblical challenge

Biblical challenge

You all seem incredibly quick to attack religion, so i thought I'd provide you all with a forum to discuss the Bible.

I can't speak for christians or muslims, but i'm well versed in the Old Testament... This isn't some evangelic attempt to convert you to any religion, it's the complete opposite... If you have trouble understanding how 6 day creation can be correlated with the age of the universe, or how evolution fits in with the Bible... I can explain

Most of you couldn't give a shit about this, but Ness, forks, Conway, andy, MistaK & everyone else that slates the evangelical creationists at every opertunity - this could provide you with the oppertunity to understand the other side.

no one gives a fuck.

+1. Harry Krishna

complete bollox

Re: Biblical challenge

the point (as far as I'm concerned ) is not how to interpret the bible, or understand it: it's about faith. You seem to believe that this supreme being, creator of the universe, a totally omnipotent being created the whole universe, and then entrusted the key to understanding it all to a bunch of folk in the middle east a few thousand years ago and got them to write it down verbatim (in Hebrew of all languages) and that studying this will enable us to, what? go to heaven? And furthermore that all the other people clutching their various holy books have all got it wrong / are deluded/ doomed. And they all think that you are wrong.
It is such a ludicrous hypothesis that it doesn't bear looking at for longer than 5 minutes.
The fact that thousands of people have devoted their entire lives to this pursuit and have managed to come up with countless interpretations does not make it any more likely to be true.
I wish you well in your desire to join them but I will not be using what few brain cells I have to join you.

I doubt you know the first thing about inflation theory, evolution or any of the principles you place your faith in.... how is your faith any less blind than the creationist?

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Interesting post forks, I gave you the oppertunity to actually hear the voice of the side you're so quick to attack.

That wasn't my intention for this thread, I actually hoped andy or forks would cite specific verses they thought ludicrus - so that i could present them with at least the reason why i can pallete such verses.

Seems most the people are on the forum are too fixed on slating religion, to actually spend time to understanding what they ridicule.

I barely post here, I barely check the forum.... but every time I check someones slagging off religion.

Just thought I'd give people the chance to understand what they slate.

Inflation theory is the belief that the universe is expanding out from a central point... Imagine if you're baking a loaf of bread in the oven with a raison inside... if you were sat on the raison it wouldseem that you were the centre of the loaf and that everything was moving away from you - you'd have no way of pinpointing the centre of the loaf - all you could see is everything is expanding.

This is what we witness when we examine the universe... Then through further subtleties we are lead to believe that this expansion originated from a point...Not only that but the loaf or universe actually started out as energy and not matter... Anyway it gets far to complex for me to comprehend or explain... but imo the Gensis narative (bible explanation) compliments the modern scientific understanding perfectly.

Theres no huge gap and I'm not some crazy religious nut for believing this.

oh dear. I can't stop myself.....

when I slate religion I always mean it in the context of organised religion, not in the vague sense that many people have that in order for their lives to make sense to them they posit a supernatural dimension to the world and universe around them.

That similarities can be found between the genesis myth and scientific speculations about the big bang is trite. And banal. And pointless.
It's true that at the present state of scientific knowledge the actual origin of our universe is unknown. And so it COULD have been created by your friend G-d.
Or it COULD have sprung into existence from the belly of a whale, or have always existed, or be a figment of my imagination, nobody knows.

The point is that the bible does not stop at the genesis myth- it goes on to describe a whole story of human development with Adam and Moses and Jesus (if you are a Christian) and Mohammed (if you are a Muslim) and it proposes a whole set of rules for living which it claims should be followed because god says so. And how do we know he says so? because the bible says so. And who wrote the bible? Why he did. And so the Taliban murder their fellow men because they don't have a beard or Hitler murders the Jews or the Inquisition tortured 'heretics' to death and on and on in a bloody trail throughout history.

I'm right because my old book says I am is no way to carry on. And I see all around me signs that the religious are flexing their muscles again and I am fearful of it. I thought that as education progressed across the planet then religion would wither away in the same way that medicine has vanquished religion as a way to conquer disease.

I'm not against anybody believing anything they want. I am against organised religion with it's unrelenting dogma and it's hierarchies and it's brainwashing of children's minds. Irrational beliefs lead to irrational behavior and that can be very very bad for us all.

so it's not about the big bang versus genesis - it's about eating pork or wearing a beard or denying women the right to drive a car or chopping peoples hands off or denying birth control or wearing a turban or the Indian caste system or occupying the west bank or eating fish on Fridays.....

Why just the Bible? And why just the Old Testament? Why not the Smitri, or the Sri Guru Granth Sahib or Viking Runes or Egyptians Scarabs or Aztec mythology?

When you understand why you don't believe in ancient Viking lore then you'll be a lot closer to understanding why we don't believe in yours either.

The reason that the Bible is singled out for particular criticism is that it adversely influences education, public policy, and governmental decision making in a way that Thor and the Sun God thankfully do not.

I was providing you with the oppertunity to understand the side you just spent 30 minutes slating.

I know you despise religion, I was hoping to provide you with an oppertunity to understand it.

nevermind

as i said to forks...

i do understand it.
Nobody wants to believe that there's no meaning to existence and it's all gonna end in oblivion for each of us sooner or later.
So we clutch at any straw of comfort.
you've chosen to believe your old book. I'm pleased for you ,it must be great to be so certain of such unproveable mumbo jumbo and to base your life on it.
I can't.
Even though I would really like there to be a god, even the most cursary examination of religion is so filled with improbabilities piled on improbabilities that I simply cannot believe it.
You have faith and that seems to be enough for you. I'm glad for you I really am. just don't expect me to swallow it. Your attempts to argue that science and religion are two sides of the same coin don't seem to stack up to me but then I know about as much science as you do and your knowledge of the bible is of little use in persuading me of anything since I believe it was written by fallible men not an infallible god.
as far as explanation goes well try this just for starters
tell me why the supreme being troubles himself with Joe's diet ?

Thats exactly how it should be (I'm not going to get too into this as i'm at work and wont get any work done).

When I asked my Father about any opinions he had, whether it was religion or anything else, he would never tell "how things were" but explain what certain people thought and let me make my own mind up. When I asked him "Is the devil real?" his reply was "Well do you believe in God? If so then you have to think that everything has an opposite, theres no good without evil." This made me think, made me work out my own conclusion, and I still havent reached it yet.

I dont say that what anybody believes is wrong, who the hell am I to say what is because NOBODY knows, but to place my blind faith in anything without proof is, well, idiotic. To then fight with people or look down or think less of others because of this "faith" and beliefs is rather contradictory of religion itself and the teachings held within.

Personally believe that, nowadays, the planet would be a better place without religion.

we are all on the island off lost, joe's the only one who can get off (and go back in time). he found a pterodactyl egg at haymarket, but it was organising it own bar mitzvah so joe can recognise its existance.

the nucastle boards exist in the real world and is joes constant, thats why he's away for long periods of time.

give me a nobel prize. i am king god.