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  1. Conway

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    I wouldn't want to see someone with a crippling disability forced out either - in that case I wouldn't have a problem with benefits being paid to that person. There are some cases where they are justified, they are of real help to that person (child benefits in some cases) and as a taxpayer I have no problem contributing to.

    As for your example with charver children, there's a social issue there too... If they see how their parents can live without working (i.e on benefits) it may just encourage them to do the same. I agree that they shouldn't suffer, but at the same time their parents should be encouraged to work.

    The solution in that regard is a system where people are only allowed to claim Jobseekers and related allowances up to a certain point, and to get to that point they should show that they are actively looking for a job.
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  2. SeniorChem Si

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    even as a die-hard socialist I'm thinking this has some merit.... it's meant to be a safety net not a fucking lifestyle choice


    mind half the retards on this thread need to work out whether they're talking about immigrants or asylum seekers.... or are they all just wogs anyway to some of you :rolleyes:
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  3. JockB

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    Imagine the crime rates if that happened though. You wouldn't be able to walk anywhere without being mugged.
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  4. Yosef Ha'Kohain

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    lol clintons welfare reform was far from a success.

    to assume that the majority of people on welfare are sponges is insane. So to assume that scrapping welfare (and introducing other schemes) would force the unemployed into work is stupid.... We're no longer an industrial state and most jobs need qualifications. To abolish welfare wouldn't create jobs - it would create poverty.

    In america those living close to or below the powerty line are now much worse off - many cant even afford basics like medical visits.

    A very ill thought through arguement.
    Yosef Ha'Kohain, Nov 4, 2005
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  5. BRID

    BRID Has name in red. Staff

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    No it wasnt - it actually improved the situation and lifted people out of poverty since most people got their asses in gear when the prospect of having their benefits cut off after their standard time period was up.

    It was a harsh measure, but an improvement over the previous state of affairs.
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  6. Yosef Ha'Kohain

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    it didn't lift people out of poverty?!?!?!?

    it lightened the amount of benefits been spent by 60%... those on welfare were forced into work and off benefits, those forced into work werent lifted out of poverty though - they just had to work like dogs for very little.

    Take that propoganda clip from f911, where moore interviews that women who had to ride to another state while her son was sent to live with her brother.
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  7. Yosef Ha'Kohain

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    which is better for a child.... to live with a parent who lives on welfare but they see everyday.

    or to live with a relative because the parent can no longer look after her child while holding down a job.

    which is better for a child.... being able to afford basic medical treatment.

    or not being able to afford basic medical treatment.

    In some circumstances benefits are better than employment, society needs to look after those that for whatever reason cannot look after themselves.
    Yosef Ha'Kohain, Nov 4, 2005
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  8. Yosef Ha'Kohain

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    are you being serious?

    You're saying a single mother should be in work instead of looking after her child?!?!?

    if childcare cant be arranged what happens ot the child then?

    i think the welfare of a child is far more important than whether or not the parent works.
    Yosef Ha'Kohain, Nov 4, 2005
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  9. BRID

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    When the soft landing of an endless welfare system was removed, alot of people who would have otherwise sat around milking what is supposed to be a safty net.... and not a comfort blanket..... actually did the decent thing and started working for a living.

    Nobody doubts that with changes like these there will be cases where some peoples lives end up worse off.... or indeed you get situations like the one in F911, but if the net effect was a substantial improvement.................... then by a pure numbers game it was a success.

    If anything, its a good example of what we could do in this country with the massive problems of our welfare state combined with a massive social decline as time goes by.

    Something needs to be done and its fairly obvious that the softly softly approach adopted in recent times is an abismal failiure.
    BRID, Nov 4, 2005
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  10. confuzzled

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    yes, maybe the child would learn the value of money and hardwork.
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  11. Congay

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    said charvs grandad fought in the war and paid uk tax. did bobby congo???
    Congay, Nov 4, 2005
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  13. French William

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    My grandad used to work in a jewellers. Does that mean i can now go rob a few necklaces?
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  14. Congay

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    thats funny frency did you gran fuck a nazi?
    Congay, Nov 4, 2005
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